David Grusch has claimed on Joe Rogan’s podcast that multiple alien species are operating on Earth, including seven-foot reptilian beings and humanoids he likened to “Greek gods.”
Grusch, a retired Air Force officer and former intelligence officer at the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency and the National Reconnaissance Office, made the statements during an appearance on “The Joe Rogan Experience” last week. He said he learned of the details through his work for the UAP Task Force in 2020.
“Even for me, ex-deep state intel officer, I’m like, I cannot believe I’m talking about this on Joe Rogan. And I mean, I know it sounds schizo,” Grusch told the podcaster.
But Grusch predicted vindication. “We thought he was crazy, but what do you know? It’s true,” he said listeners would eventually say when replaying the episode.
The former officer claimed he was shown video footage of a “contemporary” UFO crash site containing a crescent-shaped craft with as many as four dead alien bodies inside. These beings were human-like in form.
“It was just very beautiful,” Grusch said of one of the beings in the video. He maintained that he independently corroborated the footage’s veracity as part of his investigation.
Other species Grusch described were far less humanoid. He cited credible witness reports of “seven-foot tall plus, gorilla-looking, scaly skin though” creatures, which he stressed he had not personally seen. Some of these reptilian aliens were allegedly recovered alive from crashes and subsequently killed by military personnel.
“They were killed … they are mortal,” Grusch said. He claimed one reptilian had killed US personnel at a recovery site, prompting the military response. “At some point that story will come out. I’m sure the people who were in some of those events will speak publicly at some point,” he continued.
The reptilian creatures were supposedly piloting a Tic Tac UFO, Grusch said, comparable to the object Commander David Fravor encountered off the coast of San Diego in 2004.
Grusch also described “small grays” that are apparently in conflict with the reptilian species. This inter-species warfare, he claimed, explains some recovered crashes.
“Why do these things keep crashing?” Rogan asked.
“Some of it is [non-human intelligence] versus [non-human intelligence],” Grusch answered. “You would think, it’s like, would they get along? They’re so advanced. But we have records of them f–king around with each other.”
The variety of alleged craft is extensive, according to Grusch. “So obviously there has been physical craft of all different flavors like I’ve talked about. You know the Tic Tacs are real. There’s eggs. There’s different types of discs. There’s boot heels. Sunfish looking things. Boomerangs, crescent moon-looking craft as well,” he said.
Grusch expressed confidence that full disclosure would come before the end of Donald Trump’s current presidential term. “So I believe that before Trump’s term ends that it’s all going to come out,” he said.
“Everything I’ve testified about, the fact that we’ve been studying this for a while. We’ve recovered material… Intact, semi-intact craft. We’ve recovered this anomalous intelligence piloting craft. And, you know, we are reverse engineering that,” Grusch said.
Grusch previously came forward in 2023 with claims that the US government has recovered non-human craft and biological remains, testifying before Congress that he faced illegal retaliation for his disclosures. His assertions helped spur renewed legislative interest in unidentified anomalous phenomena and government transparency.